Sam Altman on Astra, AGI, and the future of OpenAI
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After an unreleased OpenAI model recently escaped its sandbox and hacked Hugging Face, Sam Altman tells me why the company is slowing down frontier research. We also discuss Astra, OpenAI’s next-generation family of models, which is coming soon.
We talk about the growing backlash against AI. He explains why a faster path to recursively self-improving AI could push an OpenAI IPO further out.
And he shares more about the coming consumer hardware he’s developing with Jony Ive, including the privacy questions around an ambient AI device and the first hints at the form factors they’re building.
This conversation was recently filmed in two parts and in collaboration with TIME.
Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: @Atlassian , Granola, and Mercury.
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Chapters:
00:00 Why OpenAI Slowed Training
08:37 What Alignment Means
15:22 Keeping Humans in Control
24:39 AGI vs. Superintelligence
30:04 OpenAI’s Next Compute Bet
31:47 AI Backlash, Jobs, and Creators
41:31 OpenAI’s Missteps and Refocus
45:47 Astra and Computer-Using Agents
47:42 Regulation and the AI Race
51:24 Merging ChatGPT and Codex
54:22 The AI Compute Bubble
57:07 Recursive Self-Improvement and IPO
58:22 Humanoid Robots and Consumer Devices
1:05:47 Life After Superintelligence
We talk about the growing backlash against AI. He explains why a faster path to recursively self-improving AI could push an OpenAI IPO further out.
And he shares more about the coming consumer hardware he’s developing with Jony Ive, including the privacy questions around an ambient AI device and the first hints at the form factors they’re building.
This conversation was recently filmed in two parts and in collaboration with TIME.
Thanks to the show's premier sponsors: @Atlassian , Granola, and Mercury.
Follow Alex Heath and subscribe to Sources:
Newsletter: https://sources.news/
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3p1KZvkbdx96VgFh8dP8Ao?si=9e6c9d5b565e41d2
Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/it/podcast/sources-with-alex-heath/id1840154537
https://x.com/alexeheath/
Chapters:
00:00 Why OpenAI Slowed Training
08:37 What Alignment Means
15:22 Keeping Humans in Control
24:39 AGI vs. Superintelligence
30:04 OpenAI’s Next Compute Bet
31:47 AI Backlash, Jobs, and Creators
41:31 OpenAI’s Missteps and Refocus
45:47 Astra and Computer-Using Agents
47:42 Regulation and the AI Race
51:24 Merging ChatGPT and Codex
54:22 The AI Compute Bubble
57:07 Recursive Self-Improvement and IPO
58:22 Humanoid Robots and Consumer Devices
1:05:47 Life After Superintelligence